where clinton? guest: -- larry clinton? guest: it is hard to say specifically, because i do not know what bair while you're using. i would suggest that you go to the cert web site and take a look at best practices. but only the need to have an anti virus protection, but you need to upgrade those on a regularized basis. you should not be downloading things that you do not know the source of. there are a whole range of things. the core point that is making is valid. it is we have not done a good enough job with the education of our populace with respect to cyber security. this revolution has come upon us so quickly. it is so easy and so useful and cost-effective -- on-line banking, for example -- we have all embraced it, and we should embrace it, because it is terrific, but we have not caught up with the security of the system. the education process has not moved far enough. the federal government does have a program that is geared around education. we need to be getting this built into the schools. we need to be building it